CZD and MoDem Pro
Black Box, 19 November 2025, 12:30 p.m.
CDZ: Samuele Arisci, Loïc Ayme, Faile Sol Bakker, Anna Forzutti, Silvia Rossi, Alessandra Verona.
MoDem Pro: Francesco Adamo, Stefano Cavagnini, Ester Cavallaro, Giada Di Gennaro, Francesca Di Mauro, Marianna La Spada, Federica Lombardo, Iolanda Longo, Marta Luzzu, Alessia Macchiarella, Veronica Manzo, Giovanna Milianti, Carlotta Milié, Ester Perantoni, Silvia Purgino, Sara Reali, Chiara Rubino, Noemi Sordi, Noemi Trapani, Francesca Zullo.
We enter the studio. The company’s male and female dancers and those of MoDem Pro are on the linoleum. I sit next to Fernando Roldán Ferrer and Maurizio Leonardi in the first row of seats. Roberto welcomes them and provides some information about the context of the three days. Then he introduces me, and Maurizio, keeping the documentation project in mind, asks whether anyone knows how to draw. Fernando then distributes the sheets with the outline of the project, allowing time to read it calmly.
After fifteen minutes, Roberto breaks the silence and begins a reflection on a word in bold type: generativity.
He asks:
Roberto Zappalà: Why, in your opinion?
He explains that the project’s focus lies precisely in the nature of relationships. The intention would be to try to create an unwritten manifesto that carries, or at least signals and represents, a change in the paradigm of collaboration. One of the objectives is to demonstrate that co-creation is possible even in the face of major linguistic differences.
RZ: We have just returned from L’Aquila, and what did we see? A very beautiful city. And, echo, the other side of destruction. On Etna, where the lava once passed, trees now grow that nobody planted.
The first physical stage of lava, then, will be linked to earth.
Starting from that generative capacity of lava, in the choreographic project of L.A.V.A. we are not referring only to a thematic component, but also (and above all) to a collaborative and relational openness with another company.
It is the instinctive action of nature that knows what to do and how to do it.
We also speak of friction which is not only resistance, a relational contrast. It obstructs but allows one to drag, engulf and transform, thus becoming a generative action. The images evoked by lava are always linked to an action and its consequence.
RZ: This moment must start from your curiosity. Destructive and generative: what do you think of this ambivalence linked to lava? How aesthetically fascinating is it?
Federica: A documentary on eruptive activities came to mind, particularly the image of the concrete blocks that are installed to stop the lava. I imagined bodies that split between explosiveness and stasis.
Matilde B.: I think of the contrast between natural and artificial. Lava after its eruption becomes rock and is used. I then think of the contrast between the lava that remains in its natural context and the one that is later used by man.
RZ: Yes, like the black architecture of the city of Catania, made of lava stone.
Anna: Since I live in Catania I think about lava at least once a day. What struck me most about the discourse was the comparison with human relationships; that is, the use of lava as a metaphor for relationships. In particular, the relationship between clogs and flow, like the underground in relation to a two: the life of the fire below the earth that seems extinguished but is not really.
RZ: The image of the underground is interesting. When lava slows down it happens because the earth above hardens while the one below continues to flow, even if more slowly. It is a question of heat. Then, little by little, as it travels, the path encounters obstacles, other earth, it wraps around itself but continues to have access to or in any case hot. Even after years, in some points, some smoke remains.
Faile: I also think of the intrusion into the cave.
RZ: This is the job: making that movement become a root difficult to uproot. On stage every dancer must have solid roots with respect to the mental project. Lava is also lavare [to wash], as in Lava Flowing. In the first phase, we must work on the earth, or on what happens when lava flows out: union of a prepotent and quiet rhythm. We will work on a supplied rhythm.
Alessandra: Friction presupposes a contrast. In the common imagination this term tends to have a negative meaning, whereas the concept of friction in physics presupposes a contact. Friction can also be a force in favor, which generates motion.
The other agentive aspect of lava concerns movement and its research. The action immediately associated with lava is that of destroying, or something that approaches the imaginary of disaster.
When an eruption is about to arrive, does it gush out from the earth? Lapilli, power, flow, rock, fluidity, incandescent, still air inside the rock.
RZ: Friction is an integral part of the concept read earlier. There is a negative friction between us, a different way of thinking, but in this moment it is positive, that is, we are dialoguing, thinking and creating together. We want to demonstrate that it is possible to collaborate in friction.
Maurizio: This observation is apt because common sense brings out the semantics of the contrast, on the contrary, friction is interesting not expanded in a moral but physical sense. From here the number two comes out; it is necessary. It is creative and not a revealer of conflict.
RZ: Obviously even this small word — lava — which is very large as an explosion of sensations, is born from the friction that is generated by the eruption from the crater. The friction of lava is multiple: its flowing, its finding obstacles like the contrasting action of man to preserve an environment.
Maurizio: In imagining lava, a proliferation of metaphors happens. We associate it with so many things that grow towards the outside. Friction has brought it to a sort of reduction, to its almost mathematical logic. The two is very important and is already, in dance, a suggestion. Beyond the expansive direction of metaphors, this other aspect is also an excellent starting point.
RZ: We must try to build a movement and sustain it through these thoughts. The forms we have thought of can create, but we can also do the opposite, to make the movement arise after the awareness that that body can have assumed a form, a dynamic that is based on that thought.
Federica: In my city, Trapani, there is a point where the currents of two seas meet. There is a small portion in which energy is delicately shared.
RZ: There is something new in the two.
Eros: The first thing that struck me when I moved to Catania is that you could see the lava descending slowly from very far away, from the city; instead, when you see it up close it is very fast. Lava flows and its dynamics, its rhythm, slow or fast, depends on the distance from the observers.
RZ: We must position all these reflections in relation to dance. Rhythm and its opposite: silence, pause. These concepts also exist in nature, so it is not a great effort. Sometimes I realize how in reality we always talk about the same thing. In the deep, not on a conceptual and dramaturgical level, the soul of the work is the writing of rhythm and pause.
Anna: With MoDem language we use three different dynamics of lava that we bring to the stage; in this case it will be interesting because we ourselves will be the lava, it will be a further generative level to enter into.
RZ: It is important for me that each person in the company finds pleasure in what they dance. I believe it is indispensable to ensure that one experiences happiness in making that journey “to the center of the earth,” that is, into one’s own feeling, which happens every time one takes the stage.
Alessia: Within the concept of collaboration, the objective of not erasing the differences between dances, between peoples, is interesting. This made me think of something introspective; I thought of the differences present within my own self and in particular of those personalities that have internal nuances that are sometimes opposite.
Maurizio: The recognized internal duality is due to the fact that you know the world through language. But the words you use, to describe and describe yourself, do not come from you. Each of us is always immersed in an activity of commission with what comes from outside; we feel a radical otherness with respect to the outside, but we are indissolubly mixed with it. And again, continuously, the two returns; a two that is incompatible and that cannot become one, and that seems to be our main theme.
Francesco: This aspect also emerges in the MoDem language. You wrote Omnia Corpora, a book made of words and concepts that return during the classes, like that of thinking about moving within contradictions.
RZ: Words often do not have a single meaning. Over time, concepts also change, for example that of ethics is a principle on which Nello and I are returning to reason again. The conformation of concepts changes. The important thing is that contradiction does not become conflict.
Let’s return to the studio, Roberto talks with Fernando about two ideas for stage makeup: flesh-colored eyebrows and red tails.
RZ: Let’s focus our attention on the earth. One of the first actions that happens is the telluric one: the departure. Lava generates through its flowing and solidifying. I would like to see the rhythmic change between flow and solidification. Let’s try to do a work in twos: rhythm, therefore fluidity, and the earth, that is, the fracture. They are just tasks, let’s see what happens.
RZ: For example, there can be jolts but also undulations of the column within a movement system. Let’s concretize the frictions or the metaphor of the trap in movement; consider that lava when it arrives disintegrates. Do you remember that limpet at Linguaglossa where the lava, touching the wall structure, crossed it and then stopped? Here is the sense of imprisonment, of capture.
Little by little I will put on sound layers.
[Roberto walks among the bodies]
RZ: Do not fixate on the music, use your face a lot because you will often have your mouth open.
RZ: Remember not to move only the periphery, but, for example, also the cervical area. Try to use as a starting point the explorations of small electric, almost epileptic movements, as if they were micro-sutures that reset the bodily organization in movement.
After the session in pairs, another one begins in small groups started by some indications:
RZ: Generativity implies exploration, the discovery of expressive forms and the creation of relationships between the body, space and an idea of environment. The exploration of space is linked for me to an absolute principle: the explosion phase is slow but moves, spreads. We must be able to suggest the body so that it moves in a certain way, only in this way can it generate towards the audience a more or less profound stimulation. If we do not believe in what we do, if we do not make it true and intense, it cannot be transmitted.
What happens in the passage from dialogue, where attention is turned to the choice of words, to movement? How to try to retain imaginative visualizations and translate them into kinetic translations? I see jolts and fluid continuous trajectories, each imagines a different element with its own qualities; overall, in the studio the telluric movement that we can imagine as happens in the subsoil is visible.
What I see in the studio is like a vision under the microscope. The show Anticorpi (2013) later renamed Patria (2017) had this principle, bringing to the stage a movement similar to the observation of viruses under the microscope.
Rap God by Eminem is the soundtrack that supports the exploration of the eruptive part, the intent then is to replace it with a completely different composition, antagonistic in dynamics and in agogics, that is probably the prelude by Debussy. Roberto walks among the dancers and dancers, sometimes he moves with small improvisations.
Matilde B.: We thought of a story of the lava but shortly after nothing was generated, so we went in search of a quality.
Roberto asks to position themselves in a circle to observe the movement research done. He asks to try to explain what was done, what was felt.
[Margin note, top right]: I observe everyone’s research, someone starts from small actions like games. In my mind the image of a seismograph concretizes which I immediately try to report in my notes.
FIRST GROUP
Eleonora: The sensation I felt is a constriction of not exploding, I am inside a sort of membrane, I tend to hold back, like a cage;
Francesca: I thought of the moment when lava descends, beyond the crater and then, finally, to the constriction of the movement of the material given by cooling;
Iolanda: The attention was placed on the image of the lava that flows and slowly cools, solidifying on the surface;
Federica: I thought of a denser dimension of the lava to be inside, in the constriction I perceived the creation of an “arrogant” space; then towards a fluidity; finally we created some joints and experienced the sensation of petrification.
SECOND GROUP
Loic: I was focused on being earth, feeling the friction before the rupture, staying in that thin border of holding back that then lets go;
Faile: I tried to feel different intensities in the body, soft and resistant, in search of porosity in the earth.
RZ: The position of the body is important, to make the audience understand from a horizontal point of view the rupture not visible from above.
Ana Rita: Lava that destroys considering the control that exists in that movement of the magma.
RZ: There is also another sensation that is given by contact with water.
Matilde B.: Together we did a work on the density of the lava stone and we found a geometry in the construction of the body.
RZ: Geometry makes me think of something that cannot be full of air; lava is rough, it becomes smooth if worked. Like the cobblestones of the streets that are pointed when they become smooth, thus making erosion evident. Lava on Etna is rough, that texture is interesting. It has volume and creates it: the more it cools, the more it compacts and the more volume it creates. Then there is also lava powder, the black sand of San Giovanni Li Cuti, on Etna there are enormous expanses of it. Sand makes me think of an element that changes, it crumbles.
THIRD GROUP
Sara: We started from the explosion to then lower the energy; one towards solidification, the other in the slow flowing;
Stefano: and we worked thinking about fracture, friction and alternation between solidification and flow.
RZ: Remember to move away from the mimetic dimension and go towards the generative through the conviction of the body.
Bettina: I worked on birth and death of lava and on the action of passing into the capillaries of the subsoil;
Carlotta: Crackling, pre-eruptive tremor that creates a feeling of fear. How to represent the flow? Contact – no contact.
RZ: You have grasped the whole essence of Lava Flowing. It will be more difficult to manage it in the composition.
FOURTH GROUP
Francesco, Ester: We started from the image of earth and lava but separately: we decided that in contact the sliding occurs per sediment as a “sensation” of the subsoil.
Sara: We thought of the sensation of pre-eruption crackling and the reaction of the earth, then of the lava that prepares for the eruption.
Giovanna: We started from the question: how can we embody the movement of the eruptive fury of lava with two bodies? So we worked with contact and non-contact.
FIFTH GROUP
Marta: We started with the idea of earth and lava, together we worked separately but we decided to unite in contact for the sliding of the lava onto the earth. The sensation was deep, internal, more restrained and muscular.
Alessia: Free lava that crackles: approaching and flowing.
Rebecca, Martina: We thought of the lava that moves the earth. We experimented with forms, therefore the cracks of the earth and the lava that inserts itself inside.
RZ: In reality it is the gas produced that moves the earth and creates the explosion. There is always lava but it depends on the depth. It is the aspect of form that must be cared for most, the form must have a specific imposing weight.
SIXTH GROUP
Alessia: We divided the roles, I interpreted the earth which initially we intended as a sort of custody of the lava, as if it wanted to protect and cradle it, almost a form of care. When it heats up more and more and tries to come out and the earth trembles;
Francesca: I started from a sense of constriction, from seeking space and trying to erupt with less density.
RZ: I have to ask INGV, what determines the eruptive fury? Does lava erupt because it finds a weaker point in the earth?
Marianna, Chiara: Eruption so strong that it creates cracks, the cut of the volcano, and the lava that flows and inserts itself fluidly.
Ester, Livia: I thought of the chronological phases. At the beginning a constriction as a first phase, with a movement towards the bottom, dense but little expanded in space; then the moment of the eruption therefore an ascent and a centrifugal explosion, then the eruptive fury and the descent towards the bottom. She was my earth-support with moments of contact that I interpreted as moments of flow in descending.
SEVENTH GROUP
Anna: We worked on the inputs that Roberto gave us. Tasks to add to what I was thinking about the telluric.
RZ: Yes, which are not strictly conceptual inputs on the theme but it is that research methodology that determines a necessity, and that starting from the concept then leads to going beyond the concept. Let’s do this now to find starting points, directions.
Silvia: Yes, there was a stratification, that is, adding qualities especially in the passages, on the basis of movements that we were already exploring;
Alessandra: I started from Lava Flowing very dense which was interrupted in an unpredictable way with fragmented movements, then Roberto’s input was to insert a tremor, something irregular and also to remain in unstable, unbalanced positions.
Samuele: For me too the process was similar, I started from fluidity and density, then I added the task given by Roberto, which was the vibration of the earth on which the lava flows and which is contained, all in demi-plié, to generate a sense of compression.
At 17:30 the working day ends, but before leaving I propose to everyone to write, back in the studio, a thought on this day, with an attention to the perceptions that arose from the movement research.
Roberto, to conclude, reiterates that the show does not have the objective of representing but of embodying the image of lava together with all its stages, movements and pragmatic meanings.
Black Box, November 20, 2025, 12:30 PM.
The work begins immediately as if there had not been a break; from the project read yesterday, the concept of generativity is taken up again, which implies the exploration of expressive forms and the creation of relationships between the body, space and the environment.
[Margin note]: We have returned to the studio with a lexicon already commonly shared yesterday.
RZ: The concept of porosity of movement comes from the last work, Brother to Brother – from Etna to Fuji. Let’s try to talk about rockiness, porosity.
RZ: I see porosity as something that enters and exits in a narrow space which makes it difficult to show. We create porosity in the body which continuously disintegrates and recomposes itself. Let’s focus above all on the problem of making this image arrive from the other side, to the gaze of the audience. Try simple movements with this quality, abandoning what you do daily, go towards the definition.
In the background the Requiem: V. Lacrimosa by Tigran Mansurian, RIAS Kammerchor.
The physical work begins immediately, heard whispering a lot. Someone works in pairs, someone alone. The whole CZD works starting from the feet which never adhere completely to the floor.
Roberto slowly goes to talk with the pairs. He asks Silvia to redo a movement by modifying it with a very fast oscillation.
Then he observes Anna and joins the exploration of movement by guiding her with vocal tasks. What he suggests is to use the mouth more and to make the movement “detached”, to experiment with the “head shake” and the “monster” quality.
As in an already established order, his gaze passes to Samuele who shows him a phrase.
Faile and Loïc, following, show what they have created together.
Roberto gives indications on the work.
Anna, Samuele, Silvia: Lava that flows and undergoes the directions of the earth.
Faile and Loïc: Thinking of contact as a landslide – gathering the material, engulfing it, to be tried slowly and speed up.
heels, fingers, big toes,
little fingers rise
to make room for others
other parts. The push of
what is leaning on the
floor is transmitted in
segments close but also
very distant – trunk,
head, shoulders, elbows,
neck, shoulder blades, vertebra,
nose – creating torsions,
small movements,
jerky. The
pumice stones
dance.
What I
witness is the
way of creating
of the Company,
what happens
happens
“naturally”
without passages
particular. Roberto
suggests adding
a fast movement of the
hands; then he positions himself
in front to observe,
thinks and furrows his brow.
Thanks to contact
off-balance movements
alternate continuously
(in out of weight), in
a mechanism of concatenation and joints in which the movement of one is always the input of the successive one of the other.
Perhaps even these different qualities must be contrasting, that is, precisely different sections that do not amalgamate – that remain in friction. Thus in the natural event as in the physical and kinetic translation, otherwise the various stages would not exist.
[lunch break]
I return to observation. Try with Eminem, then Debussy.
With thirty bodies in movement it already seems to see a volcanic paroxysm. Roberto gives a qualitative indication: the detached gesture (snappy, disjointed, rigid) must contrast an activity present in a constant way, that is that of magmatic energy, to be translated into the body as a movement always in activity. In the instinct of improvisation, the sound of the voice erupts in unison.
RZ: Let’s build something only with the arms.
RZ: Let’s try to do three times eight beats of Lava Flowing giving more space to the movement – not in amplitude – of the arms, abandoning the weight, making steps to draw a circle. Try to keep in mind the image of the pump of the water that flees and moves freely.
A short choreographic phrase has been fixed which is rehearsed, adding at the end the material built singularly by the CZD in canon and with a precise disposition in space. Then each member of the company works with a small group of the MoDem to which he transmits the choreographic phrase composed on the basis of the tasks:
- Anna is the rock
- Silvia is the lava that flows but undergoes impediments of the earth
- Samuele is the telluric movement
- Alessandra is ash, porosity, rupture, crumbling
- Loïc and Faile are together a landslide
[Margin note, top right]: Hands like a spatula rise like mantises. Agglomerations of fingers, fists, releases, explosions, collapses.
Black Box, November 21, 2025, 12:30 PM
It is the third day but this morning MoDem Pro is not there. Roberto improvises, the company follows him and little by little some movements are fixed. It is a phase of elaboration of the two previous days, of ordering what has been noted.
After observing, Roberto talks with them and suggests thinking about the alternation between rockiness and flow. He says to exasperate this quality.
RZ: Let’s try to imagine observing Etna erupting. There is a force that hypnotizes you; perhaps the flow that descends is not visible but there is a magnetism that does not make you detach from that vision. We now must be the earth. The earth that opens up, that is penetrated by the sliding. So all the movements you make must be more micro.
[Side note, right column]: The work is passed to the sieve: the intent is to work with the experimented tasks and their dynamics so that they become introjected, absorbed qualities and not “represented”. The main indication, at this moment, is not to do something that begins and ends but to try to prolong the movement and give space to what arrives consequently at the end of the show.
[Side note, continued]: The image to visualize, for the suggestion of the bodies, is that of the earth that crumbles but also burns, collapses, engulfs that of the lava. In slow motion the space is crossed in a quadrupedal position (similar to the position of the downward-facing dog in yoga). The indication is not to lose tension, to try to reach the upright position and then return to that overturning.
RZ: Now let’s do it again, I will give you a signal for the choreographic phrases that we have created, starting with Anna.
During the rehearsal, Roberto speaks:
RZ: The hands slower
Break
A little more rhythmic the ruptures, you should always remain off-balance
Now let’s go back
From here we begin with the improvisations
Fast improvisations in order, then in scattered order
All together still, motionless.
RZ: When we write a dramaturgy we do not tell a story, those are the starting points that must not be something visually recognizable in a pedagogical way, that is didactic.
[Side note, center column]: Or rather, at a certain point of the crossing Roberto gives a signal to start the solos, not yet completely fixed. The indication is also to pay attention to the torso and to think about changing direction, not to move only frontally.
[Side note, center column, continued]: The work works, Roberto asks to lower “the volume” of the movement, almost to mark, to hint, to embody more the idea of the subsoil without renouncing the tension especially of the hands. Then they try to walk laterally always in quadrupedal position and in pairs to make jolts, of the “explosions” of the torso, like brief electric shocks. The flow must always continue without stopping.
[Break]
RZ: We are making a feverish consideration. That is, imagining lava autonomously, but lava is also earth and it becomes so little by little until it solidifies. It is material not fire. Why then subdivide the earth from lava?
RZ: Let’s abandon the concept and remain on the physical quality, in the telluric meaning. We are not yet in the choreographic condition of the “finished” state in the suggestion.
Considerations
Matilde B.: I saw like a river of lava with tributaries, a calm that was contrasted by small squares. It seems a preparation, the eruption is already alive and from one moment to the next it will happen.
Federica: What I saw made me visualize the lava inside the earth while it creates its own space. Maybe there are small streets inside it.
RZ: It is not well understood what lava is and what earth is considering that one does not exclude the other. Let’s leave it to the audience to decide, let them make up their own story.
Matilde T.: An image arose in me of a rock created from the union of bodies, heads, backs.
RZ: Look at the emotional and not technical part, make this effort. I always try to do it.
Roberto’s words during a new rehearsal:
RZ: More tension, go off balance, be more angular. When you go backwards, less poetic. Roll up slowly and smile. Less poetic.
RZ: It is noticeable when you make a movement just to move, it becomes aesthetic and does not work in this context, it is too poetic.
RZ: Lava flows, seeks its own space while the earth constrains it and then it explodes. That constriction can slowly make the group begin to resemble each other; the more a common position is sought and the less one goes in that direction.
To research movement quality, that suggestion of the body that Roberto speaks of, one works with a brief improvisation session. Rap God by Eminem in this case is also very useful for experimenting with rhythm.
RZ: Regarding porosity, let’s keep our hands open with fingers tense. We must not do the shake only from the center but from the whole body.
PAG. 57 – Translation from the directing diary:
Day 3 with Modem Pro.
RZ is already composing more material this time only with the company. Pro will come in the afternoon.
They started with a group improvisation based on all the words that we named and worked on in the previous days. It recalled the group idea of Cultus.
A second idea is the pyramid position of Brotherhood.